Obviously, this would have been very effective in strong winds as long as the occurrence was momentary. Snow affected by strong windis also evident in the photos of the three bodies that were buried inthe lower part of the slope. Gazeta.ru (Russia) - Dyatlov Pass: Swedes horrified by the skiers' tragedy - presenting new details about the case of the Dyatlov group's death., (15 February 2019), Dayonline.ru (Russia) - I do not want to think about how it must have been: Swedish explorers repeat the Dyatlov group's journey after 60 years and present their own version of the tourists' death., (16 February 2019), Rossija Segodnja (RIA Novosti, Russia) - Swedish researchers report on the phenomenon that killed the Dyatlov group, (17 February 2019), 360tv In Focus (Russia)- Swedish explorers presents a new version of the Dyatlov group's death, (17 February 2019). /R. We simulate katabatic winds for different combinations of slope height and steepness. is also used. But it will always be up to the viewers to decide. Even men called `` of reason`` can start to wander. It was there that the Dyatlov group started to experience a steady airstream - compared to a jet engine. One of theseUPI-students, Yuri Koptelov, reported footprints as if people were positioned shoulder to shoulder. tudying the body positions of Kolevatov, Zolotaryov and Thibeaux-Brignolle, it seems as if they were lying snugly behind each other to keep warm. I really appreciate your approach, because it makes us better and it makes us think about the case in a sober way. Only some vodka. En produktion av Pannrummet och Sveriges Television (premir p SVT-Play den 28januari samt i SVT2 den 4 februari kl. Hypothermia-related deaths are still among the most difficult cases for postmortem diagnosis in forensic medicine. I have a question about your 2019 expedition to the Dyatlov Pass. ur sleeping bags that could endure temperatures to minus 35, delivered satisfactory. In my mind this gave me wings since DEDUCTION and INDUCTION were mutually confirming !! SVT Go'kvll -Gstr Richard Holmgren som medverkar i dokumentren "Mysteriet vid Djatlovapasset",programledare: Linda Olofsson, 28januari 2021. A warm thanks also goes to Dr. Vladimir Borzenkov for rewarding emails back and forth and for your exceptional knowledge on the Dyatlov Pass - down to the smallest of details and notleast for the work you have done on site. According to the groups dressing sequences and the use of Doroshenkos and Krivonischenkos clothing, we must assume that they died first. The group of two women and seven men were then overtaken by wind speeds up to at least 20 m/s an explosive scenario that erupted out of a rather calm and pleasant skiing tour. Myth is like an air mattress. Water in bottles freezes quite fast, despite continuous movement and a cup of tea didnt always satisfy our needs in the same way. That would have been a blow. This wind theory of yours cannot be correct, as it does not account for all of the injuries, of a severe nature, to the skiiers. (Extra material from theSwedish documentary - Mysteriet i Djatlovpasset-based on our expeditionand new theory 2019. Thanks. . On this site go to Dyatlov case . The strongest of these winds are usually found on drops surrounding mighty ice sheets, but can also occur over cooled mountain areas similar to the topography surrounding the Dyatlov pass. Unlike the group in 1959 we had half of our equipment filled into individual sledges. I will try to answer you in the best way I can and if I can. The cooling effect was then around minus 50 degrees Celsius (-58 degrees Fahrenheit). Most certainly the bivouac with the four personshad already crumbled before thischallenge- or otherwise we couldexpect the last three tohave used the essential footwear that was foundonthe others. This makes the most sense out of everything I have read. If only they had dug 15 meters further away they would have found a sufficient snow depth of about five meters. 06.45. It isnt easy to let them go. The team behind the celebrated YouTube series Bedtime Stories, have a real passion for the unexplained. This happenedto be a missunderstandingand not in line with ourtheory. Gnter Wolf explains the basis for katabatic winds in the Rossija Segodnja (RIA Novosti, Russia) - Swedish researchers report on the phenomenon that killed the Dyatlov group, (17 February 2019) Again, akatabatic wind is therefore suggested as the only cause to the abandoning of the campsite in a rush. In archaeology, I have dealtwith several excavations where the understanding of a certain mythwasinescapable. The hardest to deal with during the trip was undoubtedly skiing through pristine snow with backpacks. I would say that this was the most important purpose of the stove. The group hastily tried to seek protection which they did in an immediate dug out ditch along the trail. you are serene . In this case we are not even talking about the ice sheet over Antarctica, where such winds are normally considered the strongest. Inevitably and as we shall see,I believe that this last portion of the event can give us an idea of what Slobodin, Kolmogorova and Dyatlov went through after being unable to save their friends. Even though the tent never seemed to have been ripped apart in its seams, its construction must have been a constant reminder of its vulnerability in the event ofa storm. First of all if it would have been a hurricane in the area, we would have known that. Thus, an important part of my theory is that the collapsed bivouac was never identified as a shelter months later - this due to its collapsed nature over the brook. I fully agree with your hypothesis. However, the sacks and bags were never used since they failed to open any of their backpacks alongside an overall chaotic situation. 15) The Dyatlov group's tent was found the 26th of February partly covered by snow. J.H. Extremely high winds would furthermore make it hard to stand upright. Andreas had his own personal questions and expectations from such an undertaking. By the 5th of May, suchbedding would have vanished from its position, floatingdownstream. Thanks Niklas! . I would say that this was the most important purpose of the stove. I know they thought they might die in the tent, but surely they would die without their clothes. I have been interested in the Dyatlov Pass since listening to a podcast a few years back. The rest is guessing based on the usual but often contradictory material. Photo: Richard Holmgren. 17.00. In this instance it might explain peculiarities in decisions and behavior. The preserved footprints on the slope are in largea bit peculiar, but so is a, he footprints seen near the tent were on the other hand reported as hollowed. In fact,eyes are reportedas still beingin place by the pathologist, but shriveled into the back of the eye cavities. However the basis of more measurable facts such as the probability of a katabatic wind or not can actually be investigated in depth. When wewere drying any wet clothes in the tent, we tried to do so during the evening hours while still awake. stersundsposten De frdas till Sibirien 60 r efter mystiska ddsfallen testar utrustningen i Tnndalen: Ingen har tidigare kt strckan p skidor (23 januari 2019) The best they could hope for was thatthe Chinese flashlight would stay in place despitethe strongwind, this due to its relativelyheavy and small size. With temperatures below 50 degrees Celsius at the day of arrival to Vizhay and additionally on the day after having left the area, we were fortunate. Denselypacked snow is especially visible around Slobodin,surrounding himin finelayers. See the blog of Paul Jorion ( Dyatlov mystery+Paul Jorion ) because I have 2 emails there . Katabatic winds however are very localized and not visible on the weather maps. Our expedition of 2019 skiedthe routeand pitchedthe tent at the same locationsand time of the yearas the Dyatlov group. Webto day during the lull period of the Katabatic wind. Thus, I believe that a rational approach is the best way to pay respect to the members of the group all of them personalities that likely wanted nothing else than letting us know how they might havespent their last hours in life. Another type of warm wind occurs on the leeward side of the mountain ranges. Their productions combine stunning illustrations with well researched and spellbinding narration. This because - andas we shall returnt to below -thefractures on the bodies found in the ravine suggestpost-mortem evidence - and because a katabatic scenario (highwindwith extremecooling effect)was the main cause to the death ofthe 1959 group. One question - if the wind is that strong (25m/s or more) why were the skis still upright & the stakes (?) 17-19. WebKatabatic winds typically occur in the lowermost tens or a few hundreds of meters of the atmosphere; the height of the maximum wind speed is sometimes just a few meters [Barry,2008]butsometimesitis100200m[Argentinietal., 1996]. The rescuers arriving to the scene, described the place as the worst they had ever encountered. Good luck with the Podcast and humble thanks for sharing info to the site. The stove provided good warmth during the nights but mainly to a level of not making equipment and food to freeze. The problem is that the original sources are many times obscured. Thus, this maybe yet another shortcoming when separating wounds as ante- or postmortem in the original examination. He has made orographic and meteorological analyzes of both the Dyatlov pass event and the Swedish Anaris accident in 1978. ther than the issueof drinking water, the cold temperatures affected the food and the snacks in the backpacks. Cheers! 13) The last view of the Dyatlov group alive. April 2019. I admire your ambition and dedication, you are so incredibly awesome! They met our anticipations greatly and provided us with tent, stove and other larger camping equipment but most of all they found our hearts through their great strength and extremely joyful humor and spirit. IMO the traces and indications of the latter are stronger than the dating of the paper trail - which at least in one case have a natural explanation. In fact, collapsing a tent to reduce the chances of wind damage, followed by a shielding of snow to hold the tent down, is expected in such situations. But some things remain odd. These rescuers belonged to the Slobtsov group. Vimmerby Tidning De reser till mystiska passet (12 januari 2019). Lnk 2 We can for example learn from their journals that the construction needed overall and constant small repairs. Photos: Dyatlov Foundation / Richard Holmgren. Leaving the tent's deeply ski-anchored gableswas a good solution as it kept the canvas in place without creating too much of asail. The weather then unexpectedly changed to the worse and an enjoyable skiing tour rapidly turned into an tormented state of survival. 20.00, 2021). ur approach to the Northern Urals and the Dyatlov pass had two main purposes. Illustration: courtesy of Bedtime Stories 2019. he team behind the celebrated YouTube series Bedtime Stories, have a real passion for the unexplained. With unthought of details, we could then apply those to our personal theories. But by this time their feet and hands were probably gone forever. In Sweden the tragedy which killed eight people,is often referred to as the Anarisolyckan, which in Swedish can be translated to the accident at Anaris. In their recent episode Return to Dead Mountain (The Dyatlov Pass Incident - Part 3), their video and Podcast depictsour expedition and new theory of 2019. (22)What thenabout the four bodies found in the ravine (the collapsed bivouac)? And of course -a sincereapologyto all offended yetis still lurking around in the forests of Ural. he understanding of the sudden strong winds that surprised and killed the people at Anaris, can be defined as a, 12) Looking down from the ridge near the Dyatlov pass over the slopes leading to the western area of the Auspiya valley. The only way to save the situation would be to forceoneself out and quickly cover the canvas along with its content (such asboots and proper clothes) with the adjacentsnow masses - thisin order to prevent the tent withits content to sail away and to disperse in the dark. Richard Holmgren explains the katabatic wind on Vox. Their tent and equipment, if still in place, would be within grasp as long as they stayed alive elsewhere. Sometimes batteries can produce extra juice after lying unused especially on a sunlit slope. Webwhat are the non legislative powers of congress. I would even suggest that if the gusts exceeded 25-30 m/s (or much more), some of them couldoccasionally even have tumbled overexposed parts of the incline. Because whatever happened that fearful night over 60 years ago,it is likewise not immune to subsequent storytelling and our timeless need for legends and myths. As Yuri D and Yuri K seemed to have died first, there was no chance for them since they were exposed to winds while making the fire. Since cooled air has a higher density than the surrounding atmosphere, thekatabatic wind can sometimes accelerate to the force of a hurricane. . As far as how long the katabatic flow continued, I am not sure. SR P4 stergtland med Titti Elm Djatlovpasset (intervju med Richard Holmgren med anledning av dokumentren "Mysteriet vid Djatlovpasset") 28januari 2021, kl. Since the katabatic winds are descending, they tend to have a low relative humidity, which desiccates the region. The pathologist never wrote ofblood in her stomach, butsimply mentioned the presence ofa red substance. For example we haveinformation fromVladimir Askinadzis, Igor Dyatlov's group. Biting her numb knuckles, Kolmogorova along with her two friends, finally fell asleep from one of naturesmany sinisteroccurrences- thesomewhat rare but otherwisewell documented, katabaticwind. In fact - it was exactly this that killed the Anaris group, where the only survivor escaping the shelter, was the only survivor. Aftonbladet (Plus) Djatlovmysteriet har gckat vrlden i ver 60 r. (3)When the Anaris-group started the trip, they encountered an outside temperature of around minus 15 degrees Celsius (5 degrees Fahrenheit) with a wind speed of around 6 m/s. Leather andcordsare extremely stiffbecause of the cold andyou need to do this with your bare hands. The Swedish group were probably not nearly as fit as theRussian team of nine andwedont know if some in the Dyatlovgroup got sweaty. In the podcast it is incorrectlystatedthat the first three to die were Slobodin, Dyatlov and Kolmogorova. The latter place is the name of a rolling terrain that bear much resemblance to the passes south of Otorten in the Urals. You are right I think the hardest thing to accept is the fact that they left without proper dressing outer shell and proper shoes. In experiencing the same preconditions, we hoped to get a sober idea of what the group went throughbefore their last night. Or as Vladimir Borzenkov once explained to me whilst working in the area strong winds were present on the slope, but a match could be lightened in the forest. Kudos to a great production team for presenting our effort in this thrilling manner - not the least for being cartoonized, which really felt awarding. Svensken: Drfr dog de nio p berget (8 februari 2019) If the event would continue for a longer time or if the outside temperature is far too low, the consequence would be deadly without suitable shelters or helping hands. True, they were a really strong group. Dayonline.ru (Russia) - I do not want to think about how it must have been: Swedish explorers repeat the Dyatlov group's journey after 60 years and present their own version of the tourists' death., (16 February 2019) As well acknowledged, the combination of extremely cold environments and sweaty clothes, can be devastating in keeping the body warm and fit. Dyatlov Pass and the Anaris mountains in Sweden. Buthopefully the ideas canprovide a general outline of aperhapsrather commonsensicalevent. Even our own expedition-night on February1st could have encountered an extremely dangerous situationdespitebackup preparationsand our generalexperience ofsimilar topography. 17.00, Aftonbladet (Plus) Expedition p jakt efter det legendariska mysteriets lsning /. Katabatic Winds | AMNH - American Museum of Natural History In line with the local topography and one of the last entries in thegroup diary, the wind was blowing from the west and as such pushed its way up the back of Kholat Syakhl. Let us return to this later. However, perhaps they made one small mistake by not attempting to take their sleeping bags with them. Rix FM med Martina Thun - "Mysteriet vid Djatlovpasset", 18 mars 2021. (1)Almost twenty years after the accident in the Dyatlov pass, an interesting parallel occurred in north-central Sweden. We should remember though that she had Krivonischenkos trousers wrapped around her feet. Certain zippers also malfunctioned and the soft but strong G-1000 cloth in our jackets and trousers (the classic Swedish brand of Fjllrven) simply turned into crispbread. Many people have asked us, predominantly in popular media, how the night on the pass underwent and ifwe were scared. Only one of them survived - this after being found far away from a temporary and insufficient snow shelter made by the core group. 13.52. Furthermore the torn tent was already made unsuitable for this option. I don't understand how the 9 could have done so much during the really cold, really fast winds such as build a fire, dig snow holes (deep, big ones at that!). Antarctic katabatic winds are strongly modulated by synoptic pressure patterns (e.g., Knuth & Cassano, 2011; Wenta & Cassano, 2020) and in many cases what SVT (svensk dokumentr p 58 min) "Mysteriet vid Djatlovpasset". In fact, we escapedan extreme blizzardwith only onenight's difference. I only close jokingly comments or too much of the same thing from the same angle - this so that ideas can be equally represented. Good read and possibly right theory. Certain zippers also malfunctioned and the soft but strong G-1000 cloth in our jackets and trousers (the classic Swedish brand of Fjllrven) simply turned into crispbread. The theory also tries to explain the order in which the different individuals died - how and why and not least the often referred to strange injuries to the bodies. The same can be expected from traces of radioactivity in selected clothes, associated to earlier commitment in the industry by members in the group. Depending on the exact location of these prints, it could perhapsrevealthe last actions of the groupbefore leaving the tent -how ahurriedteamspread out alongside the tent in order to effectively bury the wind battered canvas with snow? There are, however, few experimental or model studies which consider the effect of blowing snow on the katabatic wind, although both blowing snow and katabatic wind have been independently and intensively studied Thus, the problem of separating post- and antemortem injuries, still generateambiguous interpretations. Wikipedia (English) - Dyatlov Pass Incident / Explanations /Katabatic wind. (16)With the extremely low temperatures at hand, the Dyatlov groupsocks wouldnt immediately turn wet as long as they moved quickly down to the forest to seek atemporary shelter. Sono stati purtroppo molto sfortunati. The only problem in this case involvedthe practice of packing down the daily clothing into the sleeping bags during the nightsin order to have warm clothes in the morning. The skiing really tears on your body physically when no tracks are present in the forest and because of the cold weather in general. Even if the pathologist in the Dyatlov case only mentioneda red substance, we can presumethat it in fact was blood as a result of hypothermia. )/and psych of mild hypothermia sneaking in all this time(clumsy,lose track time,risk- taking behavior) probably even before left tent(in cedar trying to see 2nd flashlight "ON" in snow on slope 1200m uphill over blowing snow) I will think of more-old-want to be archeaologist in NEXT life ! Your position of strenght from now on will make you sleep well while they have a nightmare . Myth is like an air mattress. You are right and I will immediately correct this. Puttingon our ski-boots inthe pass, during-40 C,took aboutthree to four minutes inacontrolled situation.